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		<title>For The Love of Myriad</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The word is simple enough, used by the Greeks (murias) as the name for the number ten thousand.  In modern English it’s used to refer to a large number of anything and can be used as either a noun or adjective (debate here).  But it’s popularity among regional sportswriters is surprising:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>The word is simple enough, used by the Greeks (<em>murias</em>) as the name for the number ten thousand.  In modern English it’s used to refer to a large number of anything and can be used as either a noun or adjective (debate <a href="http://talkwordy.com/2009/02/27/a-myriad-of-misconceptions-well-just-one-really/">here</a>).  But it’s popularity among regional sportswriters is surprising:</p>
<p>-Free Lance-Star’s Steve DeShazo (October 18): “With <strong><a href="http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/102009/10182009/501494">myriad</a></strong> factors stacked against it yesterday, Virginia turned to a pair of grizzled but relatively anonymous senior leaders.”</p>
<p>-Free Lance-Star’s Steve DeShazo (October 27): “Last night&#8217;s nationally televised bludgeoning by the Philadelphia Eagles exposed the Redskins&#8217; <strong><a href="http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/102009/10272009/503367">myriad</a></strong> problems.”</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">-Washington Post’s Rick Maese (November 20): “In the Redskins&#8217; <strong><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/19/AR2009111904016.html">myriad</a></strong> defensive formations, Orakpo often stunts and doesn&#8217;t always rush the passer from the edge.”</p>
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<p>-Daily Progress’ Jay Jenkins (November 23): “That revolving-door policy, among <strong><a href="http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/sports/cavalier_insider/ci_football/article/life_complicated_for_uvas_groh/48984/">myriad</a></strong> other contributing factors, has made life complicated for Virginia coach Al Groh during the program’s worst slide in two decades.”</p>
<p>-Virginian-Pilot’s Kyle Tucker (November 24): “There are <strong><a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2009/11/rivalry-week-volume-1-capturing-commonwealth-edition">myriad</a></strong> reasons for the Cavaliers crashing as the Hokies have been cruising.”</p>
<p>-Richmond Times Dispatch’s Paul Woody (November 30): “And every university the size of Virginia has programs where academically-challenged athletes can earn a degree, provided they are diligent students and take advantage of the <strong><a href="http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/columnists/article/WOOD30_20091129-223408/308650/">myriad</a></strong> support services available.”</p>
<p>-Daily Progress’ Jerry Ratcliffe (November 30): “A big reader, Groh had an impressive collection of books covering a <strong><a href="http://dailyme.com/story/2009113000008263/daily-progress-charlottesville-va-jerry-ratcliffe.html">myriad</a></strong> of life philosophies.”</p>
<p>-Washington Times’ Ryan O’Halloran (December 4): “The state of the Redskins’ offensive line has impacted Campbell’s confidence more than the <strong><a href="http://www.wwltv.com/sports/A-View-from-the-Other-Side-Redskins-playing-hard-despite-not-playing-well-78521702.html">myriad</a></strong> offensive systems he’s had to learn (three) and play callers he’s had to work (three) with since taking over the starting role in November 2006.” </p>
<p>-Washington Times’ David Elfin (December 3): “Despite Williams&#8217; <strong><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/03/saints-williams-expected-to-bring-a-grudge/">myriad</a></strong> blitzes, New Orleans is tied for 10th in the league in sacks with 26. However, no team comes close to the Saints&#8217; 22 interceptions or 32 turnovers. And they&#8217;ve taken a league-best seven takeaways to the house.”</p>
<p>-Free Lance-Star’s Steve DeShazo (December 14): “But considering the <strong><a href="http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/122009/12142009/514278">myriad</a></strong> problems the Redskins have to fix in the off-season&#8211;and Snyder&#8217;s notorious impatience to win&#8211;is it really worth it to start from scratch yet again?”</p>
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		<title>Virginia Coaching Search, Quote-Unquote</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike London
On Monday, the Richmond HC certainly didn’t say he wasn’t interested when asked about the Virginia job:
“It&#8217;s an unfortunate situation that just happened up there. It&#8217;s a reality of coaching and everything… My focus is on the game [against] Appalachian State. My entire focus is on that. So I&#8217;m not going to talk speculations [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bryanerogers.wordpress.com&blog=3198901&post=538&subd=bryanerogers&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><strong>Mike London</strong></p>
<p>On Monday, the Richmond HC certainly didn’t say he wasn’t interested when asked about the Virginia job:</p>
<p>“It&#8217;s an unfortunate situation that just happened up there. It&#8217;s a reality of coaching and everything… My focus is on the game [against] Appalachian State. My entire focus is on that. So <a href="http://www.dailypress.com/sports/uva/dp-spt_london_1201dec01,0,4492170.story">I&#8217;m not going to talk speculations or rumors</a> or anything like that. I&#8217;ve got a ballgame to try to prepare for and win. I&#8217;d appreciate that any questions or hypothetical s<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Mike-London.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="Mike-London.jpg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Mike-London.jpg" alt="" width="235" height="291" /></a>cenarios and all that stuff be sensitive to the fact that I&#8217;m the head coach of the University of Richmond, and I&#8217;m getting ready for Appalachian State.&#8221;</p>
<p>He also added, in Groh-like fashion: &#8220;The players&#8217; focus, the coaches&#8217; focus and our energies and efforts, that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re thinking about, and I&#8217;ll make sure that happens because I&#8217;m the one answering the questions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Former Virginia players spoke out on London’s behalf.  One-time QC Kevin McCabe (who didn’t <a href="http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvafootball%5Cwb/98838">exactly leave Groh’s program on good terms</a>) said “I think the biggest thing that you will see if coach London gets back in there is that his selling point is going to be recruiting… He will go into that house in Florida and pull one or two kids <a href="http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/sports/cavalier_insider/ci_football/article/uva_players_like_london/49510/">like we used to</a> when I first got here. Like any good coach, you want to surround yourself with good assistants. You want to surround yourself with good people. I think he can do that.”  Now-former DL Nate Collins added “He is a great coach… He has done great things at Richmond… If he does become the coach here, I wish him luck here, and I wish him to carry on his legacy and get it back on track the way that it used to be around here.”</p>
<p>Even Groh-homer and current sideline reporter Chris Slade seemed to be describing London without naming him when he said “I think whoever they bring in is going to be somebody that&#8217;s <a href="http://www.dailypress.com/sports/uva/dp-spt_sladeuva_1201dec01,0,2265158.story?track=rss">really familiar with the program. I think it&#8217;s going to be somebody that&#8217;s going to really get out and recruit the Tidewater area</a>. I think that&#8217;s an area that Virginia, first of all, needs to become popular in again. You&#8217;ll need a guy, I think, that can relate to the players, a guy that&#8217;s going to be able to implement his system early, establish discipline and get these guys&#8217; confidence back up. I think because of the lack of success these guys had in the last two years they need to get their confidence back. They need to get somebody in there with a lot of energy that can recruit. That&#8217;s the biggest thing right now, because we&#8217;ve just been so far behind, particularly in that Tidewater area and then across the state of Virginia.&#8221;</p>
<p>In addition, Fork Union HC John Shuman tells the Washington Post “<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cavaliers-journal/2009/12/moses_meets_with_littlepage.html">I’m pretty sure if Mike London’s in the loop, [stud OL recruit Morgan Moses will] stay committed</a>. If they pull what they did in basketball [and hire an unknown candidate, Moses might consider other options].”</p>
<p><strong>Jim Grobe</strong></p>
<p>No comments form the Wake HC, but The Daily Press’s David Teel “<a href="http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/teelblog/2009/11/virginia_needs_to_ante_up.html">had no idea Grobe made” $2.17 million</a>, more than all ACC coaches in 2009 not named Bobby Bowden ($2.32 million) or Paul Johnson ($2.3 million).  Across the state, Jerry Ratcliffe pines for Grobe (“a UVa grad, a former football player here, a fraternity guy, Grobe has put together a remarkable resume” &amp; “Grobe is a magical coach and perhaps an even better person”), who he says “ain’t coming.”</p>
<p><strong>Al Golden</strong></p>
<p>A Philadelphia Inquirer piece on Wednesday includes no quotes from the <a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/78396732.html">newly-minted MAC COY</a> on Virginia, but says that “<a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20091202_Al_Golden_looks_to_future_at_Temple.html">Golden didn&#8217;t sound like a guy who has his eyes on other opportunities</a> during an interview last week.”  Golden does offer quite the plan for success, however: “I don&#8217;t care if you&#8217;re GM, Home Depot, IBM, the Flyers, the Phillies, or Temple University, you fight the same battle. You need organization clarity. You need everybody in the organization to know their roles. You need to have motivation to execute those roles. <a href="http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/91116304.jpg?v=1&amp;c=IWSAsset&amp;k=2&amp;d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D02785ACC822CD96160B3C17B9D487C01FDC23C7B58A28638EE30A760B0D811297"><img class="alignleft" title="http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/91116304.jpg?v=1&amp;c=IWSAsset&amp;k=2&amp;d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D02785ACC822CD96160B3C17B9D487C01FDC23C7B58A28638EE30A760B0D811297" src="http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/91116304.jpg?v=1&amp;c=IWSAsset&amp;k=2&amp;d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D02785ACC822CD96160B3C17B9D487C01FDC23C7B58A28638EE30A760B0D811297" alt="" width="238" height="356" /></a>And then you have to do it on a daily basis. That&#8217;s the hardest thing to do in the business model, and it&#8217;s no different here. Our senior leadership has perpetuated our culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bob Molinaro of the Virginia-Pilot thinks Golden is “the No. 1 candidate for the job” and at 40, represents “<a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2009/11/grohs-successor-faces-daunting-task">an infusion of youthful exuberance [that] is a must if U.Va. is to break free from its doldrums</a>.”  The younger AG is “considered to be one of the best recruiters in the East” and Molinaro wonders if “maybe a brighter future begins by seizing on a Golden opportunity.”</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Ratcliffe (who admits he was wrong last week: “it appears that the mysterious rumor about UVa luring Chris Petersen away from Boise State was either a pipe dream or just misinformation”) says “some of [Golden’s] closest friends say he’s not looking,” so take that for what it’s worth.</p>
<p><strong>Jimmy Laycock</strong></p>
<p>The William &amp; Mary head man – who beat Virginia earlier this season – was quoted by the Daily Press as saying “<a href="http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/teelblog/2009/12/laycock_on_uva_never_say_never.html">you never say never</a>,&#8221; which Teel translates as “if Virginia called, he&#8217;d listen.”  However, the columnist points out that “<a href="http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_teel_1203dec03,0,3545783.column">at 61, he&#8217;s older than the prototypical candidate, and he hasn&#8217;t recruited at a major-conference program since 1979</a>, the last of his three seasons as Clemson&#8217;s offensive coordinator.”</p>
<p><strong>Derek Dooley</strong></p>
<p>The Louisiana Tech AD &amp; HC seemed to be throwing in the towel when he said on Monday “<a href="http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/nicksblog/2009/12/derek_dooley_not_much_of_a_mar.html">I don’t know if there is much of a market out there for a three-win coach</a>.  All that stuff is just someone throwing a guy’s name in the paper. I would rather not talk about that.”</p>
<p><strong>Skip Holtz</strong></p>
<p>The ECU HC also appears to be out of the running <a href="http://blogs.roanoke.com/rtblogs/insiders/2009/12/02/spoke-to-terry-holland-today/">per Terry Holland, via Doug Doughty</a>.</p>
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		<title>Groh Set to Make National Headlines?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Monday, CNBC Sports Business Reporter and former competitive watermelon-seed-spitter Darren Rovell discussed the potential $4+ million buyout package that may coming the way of Notre Dame HC Charlie Weis this season.  Rovell also too a “a look at some of the biggest buyouts reportedly paid out by schools to coaches:
-Denny Crum, Louisville, $7 million
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>On Monday, CNBC Sports Business Reporter and former <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=rovell/050701&amp;num=0">competitive watermelon-seed-spitter</a> Darren Rovell discussed the potential $4+ million buyout package that may coming the way of Notre Dame HC Charlie Weis this season.  Rovell also too a “a look at <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/34113676">some of the biggest buyouts</a> reportedly paid out by schools to coaches:</p>
<p>-Denny Crum, Louisville, $7 million</p>
<p>-Phil Fulmer, Tennessee, $6 million</p>
<p>-Tommy Tuberville, Auburn, $5.1 million</p>
<p>-Dennis Franchione, Texas A&amp;M, $4.4 million</p>
<p>-Tommy Bowden, Clemson, $3.5 million</p>
<p>-Bill Callahan, Nebraska, $3.1 million”</p>
<p>Al Groh appears a lock to join that list, as The Roanoke Times has reported that “it would cost Virginia <a href="http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/226698">more than $4 million</a> to pay Groh for the two years that remain on the contract.”</p>
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		<title>Chris Petersen Keeps The Media Busy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On what is usually a slow news week, Charlottesville’s Daily Progress set off a minor-firestorm Thanksgiving with an article entitled “Petersen to coach Cavs?”  In said piece, columnist Jerry Ratcliffe and co-writer Jay Jenkins reported that:

it “appears that Boise State coach Chris Petersen is the leading candidate to become Virginia’s next head football coach”
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>On what is usually a slow news week, Charlottesville’s <em>Daily Progress</em> set off a minor-firestorm Thanksgiving with an article entitled “<a href="http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/sports/cavalier_insider/ci_football/article/petersen_to_coach_cavs/49342/">Petersen to coach Cavs?</a>”  In said piece, columnist Jerry Ratcliffe and co-writer Jay Jenkins reported that:</p>
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<li>it “appears that Boise State coach Chris Petersen is the leading candidate to become Virginia’s next head football coach”</li>
<li>Petersen “reportedly been frustrated the past couple of years with the <a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/files/2009/04/oregon_state_vs__boise_state_6standaloneprod_affiliate36.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="oregon_state_vs__boise_state_6standaloneprod_affiliate36.jpg" src="http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/files/2009/04/oregon_state_vs__boise_state_6standaloneprod_affiliate36.jpg" alt="" width="336" height="258" /></a>salaries of his assistant coaches and has unsuccessfully campaigned his athletic director and the Western Athletic Conference office to improve those wages. ‘If Chris Petersen were to leave Boise State, that would be one of, if not the major reason for his exit,’ said one source in Boise on Wednesday.”</li>
<li>“Petersen earns a salary of $850,000 annually, a figure that would likely be doubled in order to lure him to Virginia.”</li>
<li>“Another factor working in UVa’s favor is associate senior athletic director Jon Oliver, a Boise State graduate, who was in Boise for the Broncos’ season-opening win over Oregon in early September. While Oliver played basketball at Boise State, he was in Boise for the football reunion weekend. According to sources, Oliver and Petersen have been good friends for years.”</li>
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<p>Within hours, <em>Idaho Statesman</em> columnist Brian Murphy attempted to <a href="http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2009/11/26/bmurphy/separating_fact_and_fiction_when_it_comes_petersen_job_rumors">separate fact from fiction</a> on his blog and pointed out that:</p>
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<li>Petersen’s base salary for 2009 is actually $1.1 million, and he will earn between a 5-19% raise and up to $237k in bonuses based on performance</li>
<li>“Petersen’s buyout drops by $200,000 to $550,000 after the Broncos’ bowl game this year,” and “expires after the 2010 bowl game, which could push Boise State to re-negotiate this offseason.&#8221;</li>
<li>“Boise State’s assistants are the highest-paid among any team in a conference that does not have an automatic berth in the Bowl Championship Series.”</li>
<li>The assistants make more than some BCS schools, including Colorado, Cal, and yes, Virginia.  “Boise State’s total package for all assistants is $1.57 million. According to USA Today database of coaches’ salaries, Virginia’s assistants earn a total of $1.55 million.”</li>
<li>“Petersen spent one season as an assistant coach at Pittsburgh and has said the experience of being on the East Coast felt foreign. The rest of his coaching experience is in the West, mostly in the Northwest.”</li>
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<p>Later in the day, <a href="http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/sports/cavalier_insider/ci_football/article/our_league_the_money_adds_up_for_cavaliers_petersen/49351/">Ratcliffe’s weekly ACC column</a> scattershot the following “while noting that Boise-area media have already gone on the defensive”:</p>
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<li>“It has been pointed out by Boise media that we had Petersen’s salary wrong. True.”<a href="http://media.dailyprogress.com/dailyprogress/gfx.php?max_width=300&amp;imgfile=images/uploads/JonOliver_thumb.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="JonOliver_thumb.jpg" src="http://media.dailyprogress.com/dailyprogress/gfx.php?max_width=300&amp;imgfile=images/uploads/JonOliver_thumb.jpg" alt="" width="214" height="300" /></a></li>
<li>Virginia’s collective assistant coach salary total is “”skewed because special teams coordinator Ron Prince unselfishly took a much lower salary than he could have demanded” and “the Cavaliers are essentially paying for only one coordinator because Groh serves as defensive coordinator.”</li>
<li>“Perhaps the most important factor in the entire story was completely ignored: Jon Oliver, UVa’s executive associate director of athletics… we received some bad information that Oliver and Petersen were friends.”</li>
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<p>As Oliver told noted media gadfly Jeff White of virginiasports.com: “Although I&#8217;m a huge fan of Boise State football, <a href="http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&amp;ATCLID=204766333">I&#8217;ve never met Chris Petersen</a>.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>The &#8216;Doc&#8217; Walker Drinking Game</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In honor of the next-to-last Raycom broadcast of the 2009 ACC season, the creators of the Al Groh Drinking Game (recently revisited) bring you the Ric ‘Doc’ Walker Drinking Game.

When enjoying an ACC football telecast, episode of the John Thompson radio program, play-by-play radio broadcast of a Washington Redskins game, Comcast Redskins Post-Game Live, or other [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bryanerogers.wordpress.com&blog=3198901&post=500&subd=bryanerogers&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p style="text-align:left;">In honor of the <a href="http://www.raycomsports.com/index.php/ACC-Information/raycom-schedule-a-local-listings.html">next-to-last Raycom broadcast</a> of the 2009 ACC season, the creators of the <a href="http://bryanerogers.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-al-groh-drinking-game/">Al Groh Drinking Game</a> (recently <a href="http://bryanerogers.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/al-groh-drinking-game-revisited/">revisited</a>) bring you the Ric ‘Doc’ Walker Drinking Game.</p>
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<p>When enjoying an ACC football telecast, episode of the John Thompson radio program, play-by-play radio broadcast of a Washington Redskins game, Comcast Redskins Post-Game Live, or other of the numerous media appearances by the former Bengal / Redskin, break out your favorite beverage and enjoy.  The rules are simple:</p>
<p>1. Take the following number of drinks each time ‘Doc’ refers to a player as a:<a href="http://www.docwalker.com/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_greveys1-0014.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="phoca_thumb_l_greveys1-0014.jpg" src="http://www.docwalker.com/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_greveys1-0014.jpg" alt="" width="288" height="192" /></a></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“baller” – 1<a href="http://www.docwalker.com/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_greveys1-0014.jpg"></a></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://twitter.com/rickdocwalker/status/5729560254">beast</a>” – 1</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-&#8221;savage&#8221; – 1</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/11/pam-ward-chronicles-week-11.html">cyborg</a>” – 2</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“Brahma bull” – 2</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“caveman” – 2</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“Neanderthal” – 3</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“dog going after a bone” – 3</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“werewolf” – 3</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://twitter.com/edsbs/status/5128082970">natural born baller</a>” or “<a href="http://twitter.com/cgb_blog/status/5128097992">natural born ballah</a>” – 4</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://twitter.com/RockabyeArena/status/5125324649">unicorn</a>” – 4 </p>
<p>2. Take one drink anytime he references the good life:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://twitter.com/rickdocwalker/status/5158022071">ballin’</a>”<a href="http://www.docwalker.com/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_greveys2-0052.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="phoca_thumb_l_greveys2-0052.jpg" src="http://www.docwalker.com/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_greveys2-0052.jpg" alt="" width="288" height="206" /></a><a href="http://www.docwalker.com/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_greveys2-0052.jpg"></a></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-&#8221;networking&#8221;<a href="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3240/3093393819_6f79c8e3b6.jpg"></a></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://twitter.com/rickdocwalker/status/4649746072">money</a>”</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://twitter.com/DocsProView/status/3450295874">food, fun, music</a>”</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-&#8221;MASN&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://twitter.com/DocsProView/status/2888563156">all the movers / shakers in DC</a>”</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“<a href="http://twitter.com/rickdocwalker/status/2651706017">cigars</a>” (see <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/09/redskins_employees_like_cigars.html">here</a> as well)</p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></p>
<p>3. Take two drinks anytime ‘Doc’ attempts to diagnose an injury or potential injury (“That&#8217;s broke! Um, that <a href="http://twitter.com/edsbs/statuses/5128373744">appears to be broken</a>”) (“It wipes away the interception, but it doesn&#8217;t wipe away the <a href="http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/11/pam-ward-chronicles-week-thirteen.html">brain damage</a> to Verica”)</p>
<p>4. Take two drinks any time ‘Doc’ uses one of the following phrases to describe a hit or block:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“bring the jackhammer” or “ran into the jackhammer”</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“function at the junction”</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“King Kong” and/or “Godzilla”</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“welcoming committee”</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">-“hand-to-hand-combat”</p>
<p>5. Take four drinks anytime ‘Doc’ uses his favorite phrase&#8230;  “manhood issue”</p>
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		<title>DeAngelo Hall, a Loser&#8217;s Winner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier in the week, we documented some of DeAngelo Hall’s infamy, both recent and historical.  One interesting side note has been that Hall has been one of (if not the) the most outspoken and visible Redskin since joining the squad last season.  Despite just getting to town, having a checked past, and now generally regarded [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bryanerogers.wordpress.com&blog=3198901&post=495&subd=bryanerogers&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Earlier in the week, we documented some of <a href="http://bryanerogers.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/deangelo-hall-it-could-be-worse-right/">DeAngelo Hall’s infamy</a>, both recent and historical.  One interesting side note has been that Hall has been one of (if not the) the most <a href="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o56/leavethemanalone/deangelo2.jpg"><img class="alignleft" title="deangelo2.jpg" src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o56/leavethemanalone/deangelo2.jpg" alt="" width="215" height="179" /></a>outspoken and visible Redskin since joining the squad last season.  Despite just getting to town, having a checked past, and now generally regarded as overpaid, it’s often Hall who is critiquing the team’s effort, the front office’s personnel moves, and answering the big questions… all in his three piece suit (or vest sans jacket).</p>
<p>Following the loss to Detroit in September, Hall said &#8220;You either want it or you don&#8217;t. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093004775.html">A lot of these guys don&#8217;t want it</a>. They want the other stuff.&#8221; </p>
<p>Just this week, Hall said &#8220;Guys just have to go out there and give it their all. They have to care about it. They have to care more than just picking up a paycheck or putting on a uniform. They have to really care&#8230;.<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/deangelo_hall_calls_response_a.html">We need a win so bad, and I don&#8217;t feel like everybody feels the same way I feel</a>. I feel like we need a win so bad that food doesn&#8217;t even taste the same. I can&#8217;t even come home and hug my kids the same, because something&#8217;s not there. I feel a little empty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two things jump out from these comments.  First, Hall recently signed a big contact himself, his second in as many years, and again doesn’t appear to have been worth the money.  He’s also an athlete who has said on record:</p>
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<li>“<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/03/zorn_still_weird_hall_still_co.htm">There&#8217;s more than just running to the bucks</a>&#8230;. I&#8217;m telling you, just wait and see.”</li>
<li>&#8220;I was so eager to get out of Atlanta, I just kind of rushed into anything. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/10/AR2008111003210_pf.html">I kind of saw the money, ran out there, and didn&#8217;t really give it a chance to really look things over and see where I fit in</a>.”</li>
<li>“In Oakland, there was a lot of people that hated anybody who got paid. <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/03/deangelo_hall_and_fred_smoot_o.html">A lot of guys resented me</a> from the moment I walked in there.”</li>
<li>“<a href="http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2006/09/05/0906falcons.html">Last year, it was a Pro Bowl push</a>. This year, I feel like we need a Super Bowl.”</li>
<li>“I feel as though <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3077313">I can go out and get a ton of money, whether it&#8217;s here of somewhere else. I&#8217;ve got a lot of stuff to play for</a>.&#8221;</li>
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<p> As Chris Carter said – after referring to some of Hall’s tackles this year as “two-hand touch”: “<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/does_cris_carter_think_d_hall.html">If you&#8217;re gonna take the money, get a mask!</a>&#8220;</p>
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<p style="text-align:left;">Second, what kind of record does Hall have to stand on when he talks about winning?  On Hall’s own blog he said he can’t wait to “<a href="http://www.deangelohall.com/blog.html">show everyone I’m still a winner</a>” and “all I’m about is winning games and picking passes. That’s it.” </p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Well, he might want to find a new profession it ‘that’s it.’  In games which he has played, Hall’s teams have a combined regular-season winning percentage of 0.388 (31-49).  Far from great, but better than 13 of the NFL’s 32 teams at present (Miami, Buffalo, Cleveland, Tennessee, Oakland, Kansas City, Washington, Detroit, Carolina, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, Seattle, St. Louis).</p>
<p>However, when comparing the 16 games prior to his arrival and the 16 games after his arrival the results are striking.  Atlanta posted a significantly better record without Hall, both before and after.  Even dreadful Oakland actually improved slightly in the 16 games following Hall’s departure.  Washington was 10-6 in the 16 games prior to Hall joining the team, and been 4-11 with Hall.  Hard to believe it will be worse once this loss is cut…</p>
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<p style="text-align:left;">But don’t cry for DeAngelo.  He has been a winner in other pursuits, including the &#8220;NFL’s Fastest Man&#8221; at the 2006 Pro Bowl and a <a href="http://www.chadjohnson85.com/chat_archive.php">bet with Chad Johnson</a> resulting in the latter’s head-shaving.</p>
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		<title>Haynesworth impressed, taxed</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth:

on Falcons RB Michael Turner, who ran for 166 yards and 2 TD on just 18 carries Sunday: &#8220;We didn&#8217;t wrap up. We knew he was a big, strong back. He has real strong legs and is real big below the waist. You really need to just gang-tackle him. If you give [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bryanerogers.wordpress.com&blog=3198901&post=487&subd=bryanerogers&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth:</p>
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<li>on Falcons RB Michael Turner, who ran for 166 yards and 2 <a href="http://cdn2.sbnation.com/photo_images/58963/45571_Falcons_Camp_Football.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="45571_Falcons_Camp_Football.jpg" src="http://cdn2.sbnation.com/photo_images/58963/45571_Falcons_Camp_Football.jpg" alt="" width="246" height="163" /></a>TD on just 18 carries Sunday: &#8220;We didn&#8217;t wrap up. We knew he was a big, strong back. He has real strong legs and is <a href="http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/112009/11092009/506405/index_html?page=3">real big below the waist</a>. You really need to just gang-tackle him. If you give him a seam or try to butt him down, he keeps going.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
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<li>on his bigger (7 years, $100 million &#8211; $41million guarenteed) contract in Washington: &#8220;You know what, I feel like I made a lot of money last year. Here <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Haynesworth-Were-too-relaxed--69913777.html">these damn taxes are killing me</a>.”<img class="aligncenter" title="PH2009022703315.jpg" src="http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2009/02/27/PH2009022703315.jpg" alt="" width="224" height="162" /></li>
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		<title>Al Groh, Miami, and White Lines</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A great deal has changed since November 10, 2007, when the Virginia embarrassed Miami 48-0 in their final home game at the Orange Bowl.  Two years later, Miami is the ranked team with only two losses after delivering the beat-down in south Florida.  Virginia was the team held to under 100 yards passing on a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bryanerogers.wordpress.com&blog=3198901&post=479&subd=bryanerogers&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>A great deal has changed since November 10, 2007, when the Virginia embarrassed Miami 48-0 in their final home game at the Orange Bowl.  <a href="http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02u3eqDdIqc6e/610x.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="610x.jpg" src="http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02u3eqDdIqc6e/610x.jpg" alt="" width="293" height="215" /></a>Two years later, Miami is the ranked team with only two losses after delivering the beat-down in south Florida.  Virginia was the team held to under 100 yards passing on a balmy day in early November.  Chris Long and Nate Lyles replaced Dwayne Johnson, Bernie Kosar, Andre Johnson, Gino Torretta, Michael Irvin as former players on the sidelines. </p>
<p>One thing that hasn’t changed… the use of football clichés in comments made to the media by HC Al Groh and the men he has surrounded himself with.  Circumstantially speaking, at least.</p>
<p>After thrashing the Hurricanes in their Orange Bowl goodbye, Groh said &#8220;It was a very dynamic atmosphere, but we really didn&#8217;t pay it much heed.  We knew that the only thing that was going to determine the outcome was what happened in between the <strong><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=273142390">white lines</a></strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>It’s a cliché those following Groh and his team have become accustomed to hearing.  Back in 2002, Groh stated “that other business is just conversation. What happens between the <strong><a href="http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2002/11/08/virginia-psu-need-win-for-bowl-eligibility/">white lines</a></strong> is all that <a href="http://sfoa-al.net/images/FootballFieldSideLine.jpg"><img class="alignleft" title="FootballFieldSideLine.jpg" src="http://sfoa-al.net/images/FootballFieldSideLine.jpg" alt="" width="203" height="305" /></a>matters.”  That same season, DP columnist and noted Groh-apologist Jerry Ratcliffe wrote in a piece entitled “Groh Gets Award, and He Deserves It” that “the only thing that mattered, [Groh] said time and again, is what happens out there between the <strong>white lines</strong>. All the other stuff is the reason we have sportswriters.”</p>
<p>Back to the present, and this month we’ve heard the cliché from both Groh (“We have a saying… that it&#8217;s all between the <strong><a href="http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&amp;ATCLID=204794070">white lines</a></strong>.  That&#8217;s all that really counts… It&#8217;s just whatever happens in between the <strong>white lines</strong> that determines the outcome of the game.”) and LB John-Kevin Dolce (“Our house is in the <strong><a href="http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2009/11/04/41713-in-attendance-marks-lowest-since-2000-expansion/">white lines</a></strong>. We play football inside the white lines. We don’t play for our fans necessarily in the aspect that we’re going out there. They don’t sweat with us, they don’t bleed with us and they don’t cry with us.”).</p>
<p>Just a year ago, QB Marc Verica dropped it twice in the month of October alone:</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;What it comes down to is what&#8217;s going to happen between the <strong><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2008-10-17-2451173403_x.htm">white lines</a></strong> on Saturday. It&#8217;s a long streak, but [UNC is] a really good football team right now. I think we&#8217;re capable of being a really good team.&#8221;</li>
<li>“Our approach is really that we&#8217;re moving the <strong><a href="http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2008-10-23/virginia-faces-road-test-georgia-tech">white lines</a></strong>. We&#8217;re not thinking that we&#8217;re playing at Georgia Tech. It&#8217;s really what happens between the <strong>white lines</strong> that matters.”</li>
</ul>
<p>In 2004, it was uttered by several players:</p>
<ul>
<li>DE Chris Canty (July): “[Elton Brown] hits people with bad intentions, very bad intentions. He’s a great guy off the field. But all football players have that little switch that clicks on when you step across those <strong><a href="http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=73590">white lines</a></strong>.”</li>
<li>TE Heath Miller (November): “I think it’s definitely harder to play on the road, but Coach Groh always tells us that what happens between the <strong><a href="http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_BasicArticle&amp;c=MGArticle&amp;cid=1031779190175&amp;path=!sports">white lines</a></strong> is all that matters.”</li>
<li>QB Marques Hagans (November): “[Maryland] might have [bad feelings] against us, but none of that really matters. You still got to play a game within the <strong><a href="http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&amp;c=MGArticle&amp;cid=1031778912669&amp;path=%21sports%21colleges&amp;s=1045855934926">white lines</a></strong> for 60 minutes.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Recent years have not been immune:</p>
<ul>
<li>CB Marcus Hamilton (October 2006): “It&#8217;s going to be a tough task. Our mentality is no matter where you play. It&#8217;s just football inside the <strong><a href="http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8KJE96G0.html">white lines</a></strong>.&#8221;</li>
<li>LB Jon Copper (September 2007): “I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s a whole lot else you can do. Coach Groh has emphasized that wherever the <strong><a href="http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2007-09-13/next-stop-grohs-cavs-chapel-hill">white lines</a></strong> are, we need to be able to perform.&#8221;</li>
<li>QB Matt Schaub (September 2007): “You look at the great players and that&#8217;s one thing they all have in common, that when they step out between the <strong><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/texans/2007-09-20-cover-story_N.htm">white lines</a></strong> they become a kid and have a lot of fun.&#8221;</li>
<li>QB Peter Lalich (September 2007): &#8220;Our house is between the <strong><a href="http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&amp;ATCLID=1211257">white lines</a></strong>.&#8221;</li>
<li>Copper (November 2007): “Ultimately, what matters is if we block the right guys, run our defenses correctly and execute on special teams. Ultimately, what matters is what goes on inside the <strong><a href="http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_BasicArticle&amp;c=MGArticle&amp;cid=1173353405345&amp;path=!sports">white lines</a></strong>.”</li>
<li>TE John Phillips (August 2008): “Football is all about Saturday. Anything can happen between the <strong><a href="http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/sports/cavalier_insider/ci_football/article/cavs_phillips_set_to_break_out/26681/">white lines</a></strong>.”</li>
<li>Schaub (September 2008): “When we get between these <strong><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-texanshurricane091708&amp;prov=yhoo&amp;type=lgns">white lines</a></strong> and in those meeting rooms, we just have to focus all we can on what it takes to be successful this week and in this game. And <a href="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/thirdelement/sintim_clint02.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="sintim_clint02.jpg" src="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/thirdelement/sintim_clint02.jpg" alt="" width="227" height="315" /></a>once we leave here, we can start thinking about those other things and what it takes to get our families and everything in order.”</li>
</ul>
<p>Former LB Clint Sintim used the cliché publicly twice while at Virginia, and has already used it once since:</p>
<ul>
<li>September 2008: “I guess we just have that attitude, ‘Our house is anywhere inside the <strong><a href="http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/sports/cavalier_insider/ci_football/article/cavs_get_their_first_road_test/27731/">white lines</a></strong>.’ It doesn’t really matter where you play. It is the same field everywhere you go.”</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>October 2008: “I think we have to come in with the mentality that our house is anywhere inside the <strong><a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/846/virginia-looking-to-take-next-step-in-remarkable-turnaround">white lines</a></strong>.”</li>
<li>February 2009: “You come out on the field, you’re a competitor, you step out there between the <strong><a href="http://ari.scout.com/a.z?s=126&amp;p=2&amp;c=839709&amp;ssf=1&amp;RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fari.scout.com%2f2%2f839709.html">white lines</a></strong>, and you want to feel as though you’re the best player out there.”</li>
</ul>
<p>It may have also become a verbal crutch for former DC and current Richmond HC DC Mike London:</p>
<ul>
<li>September 2008: &#8220;It will be different, but whether it&#8217;s 10,000 or 60,000, if you&#8217;re concentrating on the task at hand, all that <a href="http://media.timesdispatch.com/timesdispatch/gfx.php?max_width=300&amp;imgfile=images/uploads/20081215_london.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="20081215_london.jpg" src="http://media.timesdispatch.com/timesdispatch/gfx.php?max_width=300&amp;imgfile=images/uploads/20081215_london.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="260" /></a>matters is what goes on between the <strong><a href="http://www.championshipsubdivisionnews.com/index.php/2008/09/04/richmond-is-pumping-up-the-volume?blog=2">white lines</a></strong>. We have a 100-yard field at UR Stadium. Elon had a 100-yard field. [Virginia] will have a 100-yard field.&#8221;</li>
<li>September 2008: “When we first started out we knew we were going to be ranked high. The guys understand what we do between the <strong><a href="http://www.thecollegianur.com/2008/09/22/football-ranked-no-1-in-sports-network-fcs-poll/">white lines</a></strong> is what matters.”</li>
<li>September 2008: “Our approach is going to be the same way it’s always been and let everything outside the <strong><a href="http://www.thecollegianur.com/2008/09/25/richmond-beats-maine-44-17-gets-no-1-ranking/">white lines</a></strong> take care of itself.”</li>
<li>December 2008: “It is no different as any other game when we are preparing. We need to keep our emotions in check. We don’t want to get distracted with the atmosphere and we want to focus on what is happening between the <strong><a href="http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121808aar.html">white lines</a></strong>.”</li>
<li>August 2009: “What we talk about all the time is what happens between the <strong><a href="http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/college/college_football/article/URFB26_20090825-214808/288290/">white lines</a></strong>, so regardless of girlfriends, parents, noise, quiet, whatever it is, when it&#8217;s time to execute the plays on the field, that&#8217;s all that matters.&#8221;</li>
<li>Richmond LB Eric McBride (September 2009): “Like coach London says, &#8216;It&#8217;s what happens between the <strong><a href="http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/college/college_football/article/URFB03_20090902-215406/290278/">white lines</a></strong>.&#8217; I think our whole team believes that, buys into that.&#8221;</li>
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<p>And to bring it full circle, yesday’s <em>Cavalier Daily</em> even includes the <img class="alignright" title="113962089.jpg" src="http://ring.cdandlp.com/captaindiggin/photo_grande/113962089.jpg" alt="" width="211" height="211" />cliché in its sports story on BC LB Mark Herzlich, whose fight against Ewing’s sarcoma “serves as a reminder that life extends far beyond a field’s <strong>white lines</strong>.”</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Apologies go out to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Lines_(Don't_Don't_Do_It)">Grandmater Melle Mel</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Lines_(Duran_Duran_song)">Duran Duran</a>, and <a href="http://www.cmt.com/lyrics/shooter-jennings/little-white-lines/12560731/lyrics.jhtml">Shooter</a><a href="http://www.cmt.com/lyrics/shooter-jennings/little-white-lines/12560731/lyrics.jhtml"> Jenings</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>DeAngelo Hall: It Could Be Worse, Right?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Washington Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall made national headlines last weekend when he said Falcons HC Mike Smith of “put his hands on [me] in a harmful way” during a sideline skirmish and began “talking [stuff] to me. Saying he&#8217;ll kick my [butt] and all this other [stuff]. I definitely stay in Atlanta in the offseason. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bryanerogers.wordpress.com&blog=3198901&post=469&subd=bryanerogers&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Washington Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall made national headlines last weekend when he said Falcons HC Mike Smith of “put his hands on [me] in a <a href="http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/7Fnuxxm-tLls.jpg"><img class="alignleft" title="7Fnuxxm-tLls.jpg" src="http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/7Fnuxxm-tLls.jpg" alt="" width="160" height="117" /></a>harmful way” during a sideline skirmish and began “talking [stuff] to me. Saying he&#8217;ll kick my [butt] and all this other [stuff]. I definitely stay in Atlanta in the offseason. So <a href="http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/hall-calls-out-smith-190232.html">if Mike Smith wants to see me, he can find me</a>.&#8221;  Hall went on to say &#8220;I can&#8217;t wait for guys to sit back and watch the replay. I can&#8217;t wait to watch the replay. I&#8217;m going to be giving Commissioner [Roger] Goodell a call myself because something needs to be done about that.”</p>
<p>After 16 games in burgundy &amp; gold (or white &amp; white), many Redskin fans have grown tired of Hall’s predicable act on and off the field, falling in line with public opinion of Hall already held in both Atlanta &amp; Oakland.  Since joining Washington, Hall:</p>
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<li>hasn’t yet <a href="http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/terrell-owens-spits-on-deangelo-hall/">been spit on by TO</a> after surrendering (in his own words) “a couple of nice catches, and you expect that.” 
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<li>but has been torched by Randy Moss, saying afterwards that “guys get paid to throw the ball and catch it just like we get paid to stop them… I couldn&#8217;t get around Randy&#8217;s body to break it up. But <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/08/skins_secondary_not_worried_ab.html">guys get paid to catch balls</a>.&#8221;  He went on say &#8220;We were going up against some of the best guys at what they do… So you take it for what it was, <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Empty-stat-sheet-for-Skins_-defense-8180190-56438362.html">obviously you want to do better</a>.”</li>
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<li>hasn’t yet attempted to <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/DeAngelo-Hall-wanted-to-fight-former-Atlanta-tea?urn=nfl,120692">fight any teammates</a>
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<li>but has said it was “<a href="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/11/10/deangelo-hall-disheartened-by-teammates.html">definitely a little disheartening</a>” that his teammates were not there to help on the Falcons’ sideline last Sunday.  He went on: “Disappointment is too big of a word that I’m prepared to throw out there. Some guys are just built different.”</li>
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<li>hasn’t yet <a href="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/06/deangelo-hall-takes-a-shot-at-thomas-dimitroff/">ripped his GM</a> or criticized management for roster moves he thinks are “asinine” and “ridiculous,” signifying that “everyone from the top down is kind of turning it in” and willing to “sit around and <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3077313">watch this ship sink</a>.&#8221; </li>
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<li>but has criticized his moves that have left the team in &#8220;a little bit of desperation&#8221; and &#8220;<a href="http://bryanerogers.wordpress.com/wp-admin/http/voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/hall-i-dont-know-if-weve-got-t.html">a couple steps from getting ready to panic</a>,” saying he doesn’t “know if we&#8217;ve got the right personnel here to do it” and “heading into the offseason and preseason we said we needed to address the offensive line… you can always have proven guys out there backing other guys up that have played in this league, have had starts in this league. That&#8217;s something we&#8217;re lacking.&#8221;</li>
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<li>hasn’t yet been disciplined by the league for any <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/falcons/2007-12-18-vick-message-fines_N.htm">Michael Vick tributes</a>, and its unknown whether <a href="http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9653722/detail.html">his own pit bulls</a> (which once “literally chewed<a href="http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/dynamic/00293/falcons_1211_saints_293935c.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="falcons_1211_saints_293935c.jpg" src="http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/dynamic/00293/falcons_1211_saints_293935c.jpg" alt="" width="291" height="258" /></a> though their fence to escape” and “viscously attacked a man” resulting in six citations for Hall’s brother) have followed him to the Nation’s Capital.
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<li>but is happy Vick “got a second chance to prove to everybody he can still play” but that he’s “kind of sick we&#8217;ve got to see him twice a year but it comes with the territory. I know if we didn&#8217;t see him twice a year somebody was going to have to see him twice a year so <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/hall-happy-that-vick-found-a-t.html">at least I guess I can say what&#8217;s up to him before the game</a>.&#8221;</li>
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<li>hasn’t yet had a <a href="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d802a9e72&amp;template=with-video&amp;confirm=true">three-penalty (for 67 yards) drive</a> leading to a confrontation with his HC, like he did while trying to cover Steve Smith in 2007 (Hall, on a previous Smith TD: “I didn’t think he had much success against me… <a href="http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2006/09/05/0906falcons.html">Obviously, he broke that one</a>. Bad tackling. Fluke play. You do it 10 times, I make that play nine times. So besides that one fluke play, the guy didn’t have that much success against me.”)
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<li>but has said that the two “<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/09/the-height-of-animosity-for-smith-hall/">went from being good friends to [enemies who] don&#8217;t talk</a>” before this year’s game against Smith &amp; the Panthers, in which Carolina QB Jake Delhomme &#8220;who appeared to be stopped by Hall after a six-yard gain, dragged Hall for three <a href="http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/smith0907.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="smith0907.jpg" src="http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/smith0907.jpg" alt="" width="260" height="250" /></a>more yards and a first down.&#8221;  Smith, for his part, said of Hall<em>:</em> “Some people are lower than others on the totem pole by age, performance and talk… <a href="http://www2.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite/?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&amp;path=%21sports%21football%21&amp;c=MGArticle&amp;s=&amp;cid=1149190469718">when you’re the court jester</a> and you’re talking to the king, you have to do stuff like that. But other than that, I’m not going to play games with little kids. There’s no reason to. When you talk you obviously are insecure about something and if you talk long enough, you will hang yourself. And obviously he pointed out things that are in his craw and in his collar… “This ain’t no relationship, sweetheart. I’ve only got two relationships – one with my Lord and savior and one with my wife.”</li>
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<li>hasn’t yet had his game critiqued as sharply by ESPN talking heads as in the past, via Len Pasquarelli (“he has played steadily but not as spectacularly as he did a year ago, and it is obvious he <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2700089">presses too often to make the big play</a>&#8230; Hall has tried to cover everyone&#8217;s position instead of simply concentrating on his own job.”) and John Clayton (Hall “<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3684396">struggled from the start of the season</a> as he adjusted to the Raiders&#8217; man-to-man defense.”), or by STATS, Inc. (“In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way… he <a href="http://wjz.com/sports/DeAngelo.Hall.cut.2.857112.html">gave up more yards than any defender this season</a> and was tied for third worst in catches allowed.)
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<li>but has faced the brunt of fans and local media for his tackling – notably key plays on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBxpNIZdWLo">Giants’ WR Mario Manningham</a>, the aforementioned <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7ZBTvrtIA">Delhomme</a>, and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVkfLvSpGrA">Falcons’ RB Michael Turner</a>.  WP writer Jason Reid says “obviously, Hall is not among the NFL&#8217;s top tackling corners. That&#8217;s just the way it is.”  Even Hall himself said after Week 1 “I feel like the guy that just couldn&#8217;t make a play to save my life… I was actually beat on the play… I&#8217;ve got to go back to the drawing board and work on some things… <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/hall_couldnt_make_a_play_to_sa.html">we definitely need to tackle better, myself probably No. 1 on that list</a>… I even made a stupid mistake on special teams, you know, got a block in the back. So all around, I just didn&#8217;t execute and play to my ability at all.&#8221;</li>
<li>and has seen a photo of him accompany a <a href="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/134/story/1035097.html">national AP story on poor tackling</a> in the NFL, and a follow-up blog post on <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Theory-Lack-of-practice-has-led-to-a-decline-in?urn=nfl,200188">Shutdown </a><a href="http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091103/capt.9b68eefbd2a8436d8048ba1340252cc0.bad_tackling_football_ny157.jpg?x=296&amp;y=345&amp;q=85&amp;sig=sgu20kfdN1I6Y9QjZoehMQ--"><img class="alignright" title="hall" src="http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091103/capt.9b68eefbd2a8436d8048ba1340252cc0.bad_tackling_football_ny157.jpg?x=296&amp;y=345&amp;q=85&amp;sig=sgu20kfdN1I6Y9QjZoehMQ--" alt="" width="296" height="345" /></a><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Theory-Lack-of-practice-has-led-to-a-decline-in?urn=nfl,200188">Corner</a>.  In the story, safeties coach Steve Jackson says &#8220;A lot of people don&#8217;t tackle now because of the salary cap” and drills that have players get in position to tackle but let up “train yourself to &#8216;just miss… and now [in a game] you have untrain yourself in a manner of split seconds.&#8221;  Secondary coach Jerry Gray told the WP in describing Hall, “It&#8217;s <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/hall-meets-expectations-of-tea.html">not a lot of premium [on] putting in a lot of tackling</a> and things. You want to be able to get the guy down. But right now turnovers [are] big.&#8221;</li>
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		<title>Al Groh: The Man, The Myth, The Jeezy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This week alone, Virginia HC Al Groh has:

Been nicknamed “Jeezy” by his players

LB and team captain Denzel Burrell: “We call him ‘Jeezy’ after the rapper, ‘Young Jeezy.’ “I believe he actually does understand the reference. He references hip-hop at times. He knows Kanye West and a couple of the other guys we really like. He [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bryanerogers.wordpress.com&blog=3198901&post=460&subd=bryanerogers&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>This week alone, Virginia HC Al Groh has:</p>
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<li>Been <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cavaliers-journal/2009/10/players_nickname_groh_jeezy.html">nicknamed “Jeezy”</a> by his players</li>
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<p>LB and team captain Denzel Burrell: “We call him ‘Jeezy’ after the rapper, ‘Young Jeezy.’ “I believe he actually does understand the <a href="http://www.blvddreams.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/young_jeezy-2960.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="young_jeezy-2960.jpg" src="http://www.blvddreams.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/young_jeezy-2960.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="232" /></a>reference. He references hip-hop at times. He knows Kanye West and a couple of the other guys we really like. He actually may know the reference, but that’s basically one of the main ones we call him. But we’ll probably stay away from Mr. October.”</p>
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<li> Eloquently explained a <a href="http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvafootball/wb/223158">wardrobe (hat) change</a> during last week’s game</li>
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<p>“Normally, they put multiple hats in the locker room. One got wet, so I put on the other one.&#8221;  Burrell added: &#8220;I&#8217;ve never questioned his hat choice.&#8221;</p>
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<li>Dropped “circumstance” once after the win at Maryland</li>
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<p>That was a magnificent effort by our players,&#8221; Groh said. &#8220;They dealt with everything that we encountered today, whether it was guys having to step up [for] <strong><a href="http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvafootball/wb/222980">circumstances</a></strong> within the ballgame. They refused to be distracted by any issues.&#8221;</p>
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<li>And ten (10) times in his weekly press conference</li>
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<p>“we were the beneficiaries of some turnovers during the course of the game that clearly helped us out in some <strong>circumstances</strong>”</p>
<p>“we are very comfortable with [backup QB Marc Verica] in any <strong>circumstance</strong>”<a href="http://espn.go.com/media/ncf/2001/0105/photo/a_agroh_hi.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="a_agroh_hi.jpg" src="http://espn.go.com/media/ncf/2001/0105/photo/a_agroh_hi.jpg" alt="" width="275" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>“whether we change it or not, we assess just what are our <strong>circumstances</strong>”</p>
<p>“we have a little bit of that <strong>circumstance</strong> on our hands right now”</p>
<p>“guys who play, they ought to be moving into more established <strong>circumstance</strong>; those guys who haven’t, hopefully they’ll move into a <strong>circumstance</strong> where they can go in the game”</p>
<p>“I guess there was one <strong>circumstance</strong> where they were willing walk him and to load the bases”</p>
<p>“there was a <strong>circumstance</strong> that characterized what was the ‘07 team”</p>
<p>“in <strong>circumstances</strong> where you have that collaborative attitude, or as it’s sometimes referred to as team chemistry or unity or whatever, there’s always a leadership-followership <strong>circumstance</strong>”  </p>
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<li>Offered an opinion on the leg strength of 5-10 PK (field goals only) and seersucker fan Robert Randolph:</li>
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<p>&#8220;You can look at him &#8211; there&#8217;s not a lot of muscle mass there. Let&#8217;s put it this way: They probably don&#8217;t make those <a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2009/10/walkon-placekicker-nearperfect-uva">yellow suits</a> in big-man sizes.&#8221;</p>
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<li>Done his best <a href="http://www.thesabre.com/news_archive/showArticle-4900.php">Allen Iverson impression</a></li>
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<p>&#8220;The week that precedes the game, the word practice is certainly accurate, but it&#8217;s not just practice like going and practicing the piano. It&#8217;s preparation for what&#8217;s coming on Saturday. So we&#8217;re trying to do whatever has us best prepared on Saturday. That might mean scrimmage every day. That might mean go bowling. I&#8217;m not trying to be smart, but whatever… Practice and preparation is part of every week, but also obviously practice, development of skills. That&#8217;s what players are supposed to do, and that&#8217;s what coaches are supposed to do for their players.&#8221;</p>
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<li>As well as the standard <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101903012.html">Groh / Belichick / Parcells / Saban / Crennel / Mangini</a> impression:</li>
</ul>
<p>&#8220;If I knew [the status of injured QB Jameel Sewell], I probably wouldn&#8217;t tell you.&#8221;</p>
<ul>
<li> Said ‘fumblers get benched’ in forty-four (44) words…  [subtle dig at MJ]</li>
</ul>
<p>&#8220;There are some players here in the past that have displayed a significant running skill but we couldn&#8217;t afford to play <a href="http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/college/college_football/article/UVAF20_20091019-222805/300394/">Russian roulette</a> with. We just couldn&#8217;t afford to put them out there where they could do something that might cause us to lose.&#8221; </p>
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<li>Broke down Georgia Tech’s <a href="http://augustafreepress.com/2009/10/20/acc-coaches-teleconference-transcripts/">punt</a> (yes punt, not triple-option offensive) formations</li>
</ul>
<p>“We’ve spoken frequently with the development of really – I would say if I use the word alternative punt systems, that would be incorrect. Innovative <a href="http://www.lib.virginia.edu/old-press/archive/03-07/images_saveas/Al_Groh_2_web.jpg"><img class="alignleft" title="Al_Groh_2_web.jpg" src="http://www.lib.virginia.edu/old-press/archive/03-07/images_saveas/Al_Groh_2_web.jpg" alt="" width="194" height="182" /></a>and progressing punt systems. In other words, it’s a new era in terms of punting the ball. And it continues to grow that way, just as with many of the different offenses. Let’s say a few years ago when different elements of, A, the West Coast offense came up, it was one offense. Now there’s all sorts of things that fall into that category. We saw the spread offense; that was an offense. Everybody did the same thing that was in it. Now it’s really inaccurate to try to classify something just based on being a spread offense or a West Coast offense. It’s the same thing here now with that shield punt. It’s inaccurate just to say they’re in a shield punt. It can go so many different directions based on the personality and the philosophy of the team, and they have been very creative and progressive with what they’re doing with formations, and as a result of what they’re doing they have a very good idea how to deal with it on the other side. So it’s not just the punt team but things they’re doing with their punt return and punt block teams to combat those other teams that have it. They have some answers to those situations while other people are still searching for them.” </p>
<ul>
<li>Continued his lecture on roster math</li>
</ul>
<p>After saying <a href="http://bryanerogers.wordpress.com/wp-admin/“Essentially%2025%20percent%20of%20your%20team%20is%20new%20every%20year%20anyway,%20so%20I%20think%20it’s%20a%20standard%20thing.%20It’s%20part%20of%20the%20life%20circumstance%20of%20college%20athletics.”">last week</a> that “essentially 25 percent of your team is new every year anyway,” Groh offered this a week later: “In college football, 50 percent of your team is freshmen and sophomores.” </p>
<ul>
<li>Played jokester in explaining P Jimmy Howell’s -3-yard punt against Maryland</li>
</ul>
<p>&#8220;Far be it from me to try and explain. It was our intention that he was going to punt the ball. Obviously, he saw some sort of aliens out there that none of us could see.&#8221; </p>
<ul>
<li>Revealed the layout and ‘inventory’ of a national book retailer</li>
</ul>
<p>&#8220;You look at military leaders or industrial leaders or for that matter parents, and certainly football coaches, people who try and lead, they&#8217;ve got to believe, they&#8217;ve got to believe in a <a href="http://www.readthehook.com/images/issues/2009/0835/photophile-groh.jpg"><img class="alignright" title="photophile-groh.jpg" src="http://www.readthehook.com/images/issues/2009/0835/photophile-groh.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" /></a>leader, they&#8217;ve got to buy in, they&#8217;ve got to see the value to them. That&#8217;s why if you go down to Barnes &amp; Noble, you can probably spend the next three or four weeks just walking up and down the section of the stores that have books on leadership and management.” </p>
<ul>
<li>Played short-memory philosopher</li>
</ul>
<p>&#8220;As we have said, there&#8217;s a reason why God put eyes in the front of our head and not in the back. So you can make progress by looking forward.&#8221;</p>
<ul>
<li>Not <a href="http://twitter.com/CoachAlGroh">‘tweeted’</a> a thing</li>
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